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Vocab WG Oct 29 meeting [labs and conditions postcoordination]

Friends:

Earlier this year we made the decision to revert some post-coordinated terms back to pre-coordinated (link to the earlier post with decisions).

Example:

ICD10CM D70 ‘Neutropenia’ ‘Maps to’ SNOMED 4148615 ‘Neutrophil count’ and ‘Maps to value’ SNOMED 4083207 ‘Below reference range’.

More examples: link, link.

Now we need to make more specific choices on how to deal with diagnosis codes which look like measurements, syndromes, histories, etc. Please come to the Vocab WG meeting tomorrow at 12pm EST if you are interested in the topic and join the discussion with @zhuk and @Dymshyts!

Dear friends,

We are continuing the conversation from October 29th (please see the recording here) about post-coordination roll-back. Please come to the next WG meeting on Nov 26 noon EST to discuss specific proposals and examples (link)! :slight_smile:

Friends:

Thanks for all the input. The subject was also discussed at the Vocabulary Committee and offline. We think we got a good compromise between avoiding too much back and forth, making life easy for the ETLer (avoid splitting and merging) and for the analyst (the one who works with existing source codes and the one trying to capture information spread over several concepts).

To remind you, this is about deciding how to represent certain facts: analytes which are outside the normal range. We can treat them as pre-coordinated Conditions (e.g. “neutropenia”) or Measurements, either pre-coordinated (“neutrophil count below reference range”) or post-coordinated (“neutrophil count” and “below reference range”). The problem came up when mapping such source codes, typically ICD10 family diagnosis codes.

Here it is the resolution:

  1. Procedures and their results (e.g. “EKG: anterior ischemia”) are not affected by this.
  2. Concepts without a specific analyte (e.g. “liver enzymes”) are not affected by this.
  3. LOINC and Nebraska Lexicon concepts, whether pre-coordinated or not, standard or not, are not affected by this.

Affected are pre-coordinated source concepts (ICD10 family, Read etc.), their mapping to pre- or post-coordinated SNOMEDs and their Domains.

  1. All pre-coordinated SNOMED concepts falling into this class will undergo a revision of their Domain assignment as either Condition or Measurement.
  2. The source concepts mapped to pre-coordinated SNOMED Condition concepts will assume the same Domain as per mapping rules.
  3. The source concepts which have equivalent pre-coordinated SNOMED Measurement concepts (analyte and result in one) will be mapped to these and assume the same Domain as per mapping rules.
  4. In rare cases, when there are no pre-coordinated SNOMED Measurement concepts, they will be mapped to post-coordinated SNOMED Measurement (analyte) concepts and adequate value concepts (the result).
  5. At some point in the future, we may switch all mappings to post-coordinated SNOMED Measurement concepts and the adequate values. (There is no such a thing as post-coordinated Condition concepts).

How do we decide whether something is a Condition or Measurement? The rules are somewhat imprecise and arbitrary and constitute a gray zone. The Vocab team will just have to call it. But roughly, if the aberration of an analyte is over a period of time, typically requires repeat testing and needs treatment of its own, rather than the underlying cause, it will be a Condition, otherwise a Measurement. For example, neutropenia takes some time to develop and resolve, the WBC is checked every other day and it definitely needs attention - Condition. The concept “PSA level above normal range” is a single measurement and the underlying condition (prostate cancer, prostatitis) may need treatment or not, but the PSA itself is irrelevant - Measurement.

Once we have implemented that, you will find some concept either in the Condition or Measurement tables, depending on their assigned Domain. But here is the deal: If they are Measurements, they are pre-coordinated (for now). There may be also post-coordinated records, typically coming from the lab tests. So, when you want to select patients with, say, an elevated PSA, you will have to look for both: pre-coordinated concepts (“Elevated PSA”) and postcoordinated ones (“PSA level in blood” - “Elevated” or a number+unit).

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Dear Community,

According to the logic described above we performed an extensive review of SNOMED concepts that belong to the Clinical Finding concept class and carry the semantics of the evaluation procedure and the respective result. This review was accompanied by many concepts’ standard status and domain changes. Below I attach a list of such concepts and their attributes, you are welcome to check it out.
SNOMED evaluation findings.xlsx (159.9 KB)

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